Body Echos: Healing Through Somatic Grief Support

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[00:00:47] Welcome back to Beyond Goodbye, I am your host Angela Sturm.

[00:00:51] I have been looking forward to this episode because it deals with how to manage grief that

[00:00:57] manifests itself physically.

[00:00:59] And my guest today is going to share with us ways in which we can help our bodies

[00:01:04] grieve the loss or losses that we've experienced.

[00:01:06] I think many of you know and I've talked about it in previous podcasts, how my body completely

[00:01:13] shut down.

[00:01:14] Like I could hardly move, I was stiff.

[00:01:18] And there was nothing like doctors could do for me.

[00:01:23] So I'm excited to talk about this because it's newer, really until recently I didn't even

[00:01:28] know that outside of diet changes or talk therapy, that there was anything more I could

[00:01:34] really do to address the physical issues.

[00:01:38] I would when I would go to the doctors, they wanted to assign a diagnosis and then prescribe

[00:01:46] prescriptions that they thought was maybe my diagnosis.

[00:01:50] And as we know, you know some prescriptions are potentially dangerous and have some really

[00:01:56] serious side effects.

[00:01:58] I had one specialist prescribe me a chemo drug, so they thought I had lupus because of

[00:02:03] rashes that were breaking out.

[00:02:05] I didn't take it.

[00:02:07] I was looking for something just to help manage it not to like permanently create other problems

[00:02:13] in my body.

[00:02:15] So it actually wasn't until a friend of mine asked me if I had ever considered a somatic

[00:02:21] approach to help my body heal.

[00:02:24] Now I'd not heard of anything like this, so I did a little research and discovered that

[00:02:29] there's a name for the sort of help, somatic grief support.

[00:02:34] And as we all know, grief is something everyone is going to experience but it's not solely

[00:02:38] a mental or emotional process, it's really deeply rooted in the body.

[00:02:43] And today we have the privilege of speaking with Dallas Rising, who specializes in honoring

[00:02:48] our connection between the mind and body, offering a holistic approach to processing grief.

[00:02:54] Dallas will talk about their unique approach to grief support and how incorporating somatic

[00:03:00] techniques to address the physical aspects of loss can benefit our overall well-being.

[00:03:05] Dallas, welcome.

[00:03:06] Thank you so much.

[00:03:08] It's a lovely introduction.

[00:03:10] Thank you.

[00:03:11] I'm happy that you agreed to be on here.

[00:03:15] Now as I understand it, somatic refers to the body, right?

[00:03:19] So it's in sensations and movement.

[00:03:23] And then when somebody encounters loss like my children were murdered prior to that,

[00:03:28] two months prior to that, my mom died of a horrible disease and died.

[00:03:34] Our grief can then present itself in our physical bodies, not just psychologically.

[00:03:39] How do these symptoms show up?

[00:03:41] What do they look like or maybe even feel like if you're able to even address that?

[00:03:47] Yeah.

[00:03:49] Yeah, so it can look different for anybody.

[00:03:54] I can certainly share some of the most common things that I see and hear about.

[00:04:00] But the rash that you mentioned, that's a little bit more of an unusual response but

[00:04:06] certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

[00:04:11] I am a person that believes that there's a strong connection between the body and the mind

[00:04:15] and the spirit as well.

[00:04:16] And that all of those things kind of they inform one another and they co-manage like coping.

[00:04:25] And so some of the more common physical symptoms of grief, a huge one is fatigue and sleep

[00:04:33] disruption of various kinds.

[00:04:35] And so fatigue, I mean part of like a whole section of the work that I do is around addressing

[00:04:43] fatigue and issues with sleep disruption.

[00:04:45] So whether it's insomnia or chronic fatigue or not being tired, feeling like you're tired

[00:04:52] during the day at awake at night or nightmares or sleeping and not feeling like you're rested,

[00:04:59] there's all kinds of different ways that that can show up.

[00:05:03] And so that's the most aches and pains like feeling more achy or kind of having unexplained

[00:05:08] pains in the body or I don't know, waves or tightness all of that as a possibility.

[00:05:17] Changes in appetite and digestion are also huge.

[00:05:20] And so you know what and that can look any number of ways like the sleep can.

[00:05:28] And so it can be a lot of stress and the chest and a difficulty breathing well can be a piece,

[00:05:34] whether that's something that people are conscious of or not.

[00:05:38] So you know it may occur as a physical tightness in the chest but it could also just be something

[00:05:43] that people aren't aware of until it's until attention is drawn to that area of the body

[00:05:48] and it can be difficult to feel like there's space for a good breath to happen.

[00:05:53] Oftentimes those muscles in between the ribs get really tightened almost as though a person is sort of

[00:05:59] unconsciously bracing against another impact of some kind.

[00:06:03] Another big jarring loss or just sort of holding on, literally holding on headaches here and then also

[00:06:12] we can kind of go into you know there's this line of physical and emotional or mental

[00:06:18] like irritability, forgetfulness, difficulty concentrating all of those sort of the brain fog

[00:06:23] that a lot of people experience.

[00:06:26] I would put those in the realm of physical and a compromised immune system is also a piece too

[00:06:32] that is not necessarily something that we have an immediate direct control over

[00:06:40] but when you talk about the rashes and that suspicion of lupus like yeah.

[00:06:46] Yeah, that's yeah that's not you probably hit on everything that I've also experienced

[00:06:51] and still a little bit. I was just talking to a friend of mine just two days ago telling her

[00:06:57] that I'm having these weird digestive issues and that's never had these issues

[00:07:02] and I'm changing everything you know like okay well maybe it's this type of food

[00:07:06] and maybe I should go here and I'm still having some issues with that.

[00:07:11] The sleep stuff is horrible and I'll get home at like two o'clock and be so exhausted

[00:07:17] that I literally fall asleep for probably two or three hours and then of course you know

[00:07:21] I can't sleep at night. So it's awful. I don't get too many of the headaches but I do have

[00:07:27] the forgetfulness and my body got like stiff it was really strange it was you know I'd put

[00:07:37] on weight over these years be do it everything because I'm an emotionally eater but even just

[00:07:43] going up and down the stairs to do laundry if I would spend a day cleaning and doing some

[00:07:47] laundry which is not heavy duty stuff. As soon as I sat down I couldn't I was so stiff and sore

[00:07:53] I couldn't move and I was exhausted it was awful and then the same with the chest I didn't know that

[00:07:58] was a thing for that. I just thought I was having extra issues going on like why am I having these

[00:08:04] breathing issues and it's been up and down with that. It's interesting I didn't know all of that

[00:08:11] so then somatic support I guess then would be like things like their mindful practices

[00:08:20] to like some breathing work or movements like yoga although I don't see I know there's all sorts

[00:08:27] of different types of yoga so I don't know that that would apply but more body centric. So like

[00:08:31] teaching us to kind of pay attention to our what our body is doing or saying or behaving and then

[00:08:37] releasing or learning to release I on the right track. Yeah yeah I mean oh yes you're on the right

[00:08:43] track so what I do what I talk about how I describe what it is that I do is I'm not necessarily

[00:08:52] well A most of the work that I do that's grief work is group based rather than individual

[00:08:59] and part of that is because I wanted to have and well it's more economical for people if I can work

[00:09:07] with people and they can pay a little bit less than we can have an experience altogether and so

[00:09:11] that. And then the other piece that I like to do group work is because it is an embodied way of

[00:09:18] processing it can let me back up one of the reasons that I do group work and you can choose if you

[00:09:25] want to edit data that or not but I get excited so I start to jump in but one of the reasons I do

[00:09:32] group work is because I feel like grief is the experience feels isolating but it actually

[00:09:41] is a universal experience. I mean if you're not a sociopath maybe maybe be the exception right

[00:09:50] something that is a typical about the way a person experiences emotion but if you do have

[00:09:57] typical rage of emotions if you're going to experience love or attachment in some way at some

[00:10:02] point you're going to experience loss or separation and that tends to lead us into a place of grief

[00:10:06] and that's common. And so I like to work with people in groups and the other reason is while

[00:10:13] support groups can be helpful traditional support groups I'll say it's not always what people

[00:10:21] want or need and sometimes it's helpful to be in a space where you are can feeling like you're

[00:10:29] in a shared experience but there's no pressure to talk about it then to go into great depth.

[00:10:35] We are a species that talks a lot and that is in many of us including me our external processors

[00:10:41] and talking is very valuable and powerful and it's a useful tool. But there are also people

[00:10:49] are very familiar with therapy talk therapy and traditional support groups where people go and

[00:10:55] share their stories and how things are going. What I do is a little bit different and so I do bring

[00:11:01] people together and there's a slight check in about what brought you here or what grief you're

[00:11:05] there to honor but I essentially lead practices in a group and people can have different experiences

[00:11:12] in that practice so I don't typically work with somebody deep about what is happening and why

[00:11:18] because then we're kind of getting into an analytical space about it. And the way that my approach

[00:11:25] which is really powerful and amazing for some people and for some people they're not interested

[00:11:29] in that's okay it's just another option is to just let the body process whatever is there

[00:11:35] that's ready to be moved and to let that happen. Let emotions come up, let them be felt,

[00:11:45] be present with them not try to control them in any kind of way notice sensations and

[00:11:51] you know let it pass. And the other piece too is that I'm creating a container so that it feels

[00:11:55] a little bit more safe. I think a lot of what I hear is well in my experience and I hear a lot

[00:12:00] is like I can't deal with this now. I don't want to deal with this now and the grief just gets

[00:12:05] shoved aside, pushed aside, delayed, deferred, ignored you know and we come up with all kinds of

[00:12:13] different ways to avoid feeling once in there and that may be because it's inconvenience and it

[00:12:20] may be because it's scary and it's hard or because we're worried that it we might never come out

[00:12:26] or how we'll survive it. And so one of the things that I do is like we have an opportunity for

[00:12:33] you to know that some things coming so there's you know if we're gonna you there's no scary you know

[00:12:37] unexpected surprises. I'm getting ready to go to this thing, I go to this thing and then at the end

[00:12:44] of it I know that it's going to wrap up and I'm gonna have to put my shoes on and go right? You're

[00:12:48] not gonna be falling off you know you won't be in a heap on your bathroom floor for three days. Yeah yeah

[00:12:54] where we're doing this. So what it looks like though it can look a lot of different ways and so

[00:13:01] do you want me to just kind of talk to you about the different ways that I... Yeah that'd be great.

[00:13:05] Okay so I started doing this work with the Center for Grief of Laws in St. Paul.

[00:13:12] I am a yoga instructor and I started out wanting to offer a restorative yoga for grief

[00:13:17] and we haven't really gotten into my story about why I do this work but um but I did

[00:13:26] start participating or practicing yoga as a way of moving my body in a way that felt kind of safe

[00:13:36] after I had an injury. I practiced martial arts for a number of years and I had a really bad back

[00:13:41] injury and that was one piece of a reason why. I started to turn yoga and so you know this

[00:13:51] was a loss and there was griefing around this um I had... and it's not the only reason I left the

[00:13:56] martial arts practice. There were some other heartbreak reasons in there too but the the long and

[00:14:01] short of it is that I had lost this practice that I loved, this physical um ex you know this physical

[00:14:09] practice and form of um catharsis that I found is hitting and punching and kicking stuff is very

[00:14:15] therapeutic in itself. It was a community it was a routine my training partner meant so much to me

[00:14:24] and there were just a number of different losses when I when I left that space um and so I was looking

[00:14:32] for something that I could do to safely move my body given injury and yoga is something that

[00:14:38] allowed me to pay very close attention to what was going on and also not potentially hurt myself.

[00:14:45] Restorative yoga is different than the type of yoga that most people think of. Here with it were

[00:14:50] I mean yes there's a map involved but you're not sweating a ton and you're not like creating

[00:14:56] really difficult postures and warming up your muscles and sweating a lot getting your heart

[00:15:03] I call it the the comfichlumpy yoga so there's a lot of pillows and blankets and you're all like my

[00:15:09] kind of yoga. Yes it's it's delightful but um during that time when I was practicing yoga I was

[00:15:16] also experiencing a series of losses like you described as well and what I noticed is that when

[00:15:22] I would go into these restorative classes especially the ones where I had the bolster

[00:15:27] and I could lay my body on the bolster and have that physical support under me it allowed me to

[00:15:31] not have to feel like I had to hold it all together all by myself and I could soften my body into

[00:15:37] this bolster and when I wrapped my arms around it it almost felt like a hug you know I have a blanket

[00:15:42] over you and it felt sort of um it was felt very comforting and I would cry all the time in these

[00:15:49] postures um and then I started taking I took you on a yoga teacher training knowing when I signed up

[00:15:56] for yoga teacher training that I wanted to work with people who were grieving um and so you know

[00:16:01] it took a while to get there but restorative I chose because it helps to soothe the nervous

[00:16:08] system and the parasympathetic nervous system which can be so stressed um in a grieving person

[00:16:15] and also the breathwork and the postures that are they're in restorative you hold the

[00:16:21] postures for quite a while and it allows the body to soften and for some of those intercostal muscles

[00:16:26] soften up so that you can breathe a little bit better and so those are two of the symptoms of

[00:16:31] grief and um I also incorporate readings and poetry because I think that art and storytelling

[00:16:39] are really powerful and some in a little bit of breathwork and and in a little bit of guided

[00:16:47] meditation encouragement for people to just feel supported and safe with being with whatever

[00:16:55] shows up and being able to breathe through it knowing that the ground is holding you up.

[00:16:59] Yeah you said so many things that like so completely resonate with me. One I like that you use

[00:17:05] the word honor grief. I haven't been honoring the grief myself I apologize to the audience I have

[00:17:12] a little bit of a cold um I haven't been honoring the grief and I did push it aside and I had

[00:17:20] you know I had at the beginning I had you know apartments to clean out and funerals to plan and then

[00:17:27] they had children so then I had you know what am I doing with the children and I have one son left

[00:17:33] and he's an adult but he lost his siblings were very very very close and so we he went from

[00:17:42] spending all this time with them all the time all of us to nobody there for him now

[00:17:49] and and so you're busy taking care of everyone else and it takes you know a couple of years it's been

[00:17:54] two just two and a half years now um that I didn't have time for myself but then I kept myself busy with

[00:18:03] all of my little side hustles I call them so that I didn't have to think about it I went back to work

[00:18:07] after a couple of weeks I probably shouldn't have um I did all of these things well now you know fast

[00:18:13] forward to two and a half years everyone's doing really well people are they're they're adjusting they've

[00:18:19] been and continue to go to therapy and we're all still very close we didn't implode at all

[00:18:25] and I found myself not doing well and I realized you know you can't you can't there's nothing more

[00:18:33] that you can do right now that's going to continue to help you to avoid working with your own

[00:18:39] your own grief I didn't have that time to really grieve and so I'm in a place now where I

[00:18:44] am doing that at night and I need that I need to honor that and work through that um and you're right

[00:18:51] the I did do right away a group therapy that was offered I didn't enjoy it uh I don't know

[00:18:59] that anybody probably enjoys it but it was I found it to be very difficult I didn't always want

[00:19:04] to share what was going on and it was hard hearing what everyone else but I had going on

[00:19:11] um I probably wasn't ready for it at that time but it was it just felt not I don't want to say

[00:19:17] not welcoming I guess I don't have the word for it but it was something that just wasn't for me

[00:19:21] and I stuck with it for about a month and then I was like I just I can't do it anymore and stopped

[00:19:26] doing it completely um I love the idea of holding a container though I participate in a

[00:19:34] a group it's called 13 moons um and it's essentially a women's group but it's kind of a women's

[00:19:39] spiritual group if you will and that's been fantastic for me actually it's probably the

[00:19:44] been the biggest help in all of this is to be able to go and be vulnerable and feel safe to do so

[00:19:51] and just people letting me when I want to share I share and when I don't I don't it's not always

[00:19:55] just about you know it's not about loss always there we were talking about how we're honoring ourselves

[00:20:01] and the earth and and whatnot um in our own spirit and so it's just nice because every now and then

[00:20:07] it bubbles up and you want to share it and then people just they let you say what you need to say

[00:20:11] you know um and then when you were describing about also what did you call it that you land

[00:20:17] it was a bolster a bolster and then as you're describing like how that felt for you and putting

[00:20:23] your arms around a pillow I actually almost started crying right now because I thought that's

[00:20:27] that's what I need and I just I really like this idea of coming into a space that you're creating

[00:20:35] yeah I really like that idea yeah it's um well I've been doing that for maybe five years

[00:20:41] with the center for grief and loss and in other places as some other studios around the Twin

[00:20:46] Cities area um yeah and I just want to affirm and validate your experience about you know

[00:20:53] with saying like maybe I shouldn't have gone back to work right away or you know um you know we

[00:20:57] can always look back and and think well what might have been helpful what might not have but

[00:21:03] it's very common I see two ways that people can go about this and I think it's really depending

[00:21:09] on your particular personality um but I think it's super common for people to

[00:21:16] especially in the first year I mean having surviving the death of children is a particular

[00:21:23] kind of hell um and I don't have children I'm not that person but my sister died and then each

[00:21:31] of my two remaining living sisters um each had a child die within 14 months so I have to be

[00:21:38] people very close to me who I was in a I was in relationship with who were all grieving

[00:21:45] the deaths of of a child and that's um it's a very very difficult and that's part of what brought

[00:21:50] me to this this work um and so you know getting just from what my observations have been doing

[00:21:58] grief work and my own personal experiences like the first year of that is just survival

[00:22:04] and that's just it's it's plain survival and like surviving the shock of that and the huge

[00:22:11] disruption and you do what you do you know you do what you gotta do to get through that and I see

[00:22:17] people take on huge projects whether it's you know going out and literally you know weeding a

[00:22:23] forest sort of a situation where I'm just gonna go and use all this visible labor um another

[00:22:30] family who survived the death of their child did a whole basement renovation just

[00:22:37] complete you know just something that is huge and can take up all of your focus and energy

[00:22:41] yeah um so that you don't completely fall apart and the other thing that I see is sometimes people

[00:22:47] um going another direction which is like I am going to lean as far as I can into this process of

[00:22:54] grief and it's almost as if they're trying to perfect the process of grieving or like if I do all

[00:23:00] of this stuff maybe I'll get it over with more quickly and then it won't you know yeah and so

[00:23:05] it's there is no perfect formula for this and whenever somebody is ready to come and find support

[00:23:13] for it's whatever their grief is however fresh or if it was a long time ago all of it is welcome

[00:23:20] in my space and I think you know the grief journey looks a little bit different for everybody

[00:23:24] and it's not and we know we have these kind of patterns and our like use that our culture is not great

[00:23:30] with we don't know how to do this um we're not taught how to do this by mean by which I mean like

[00:23:35] support one another or navigate this we kind of lack a lot of cultural um agreements about what

[00:23:42] to do and so what I say is that um as not whatever the grief is if it is impacted you in a significant

[00:23:53] way it's valid if you know if it if it is impacting you in a significant way um it's valid and so

[00:24:00] whatever that looks like and we don't have to compare it we don't have to justify it or explain it

[00:24:06] um if you do just you're welcome you're accepted and I'm glad you're here that's all

[00:24:16] and I do think to those the the talking support groups like when a person is in

[00:24:21] um certain stages of you know sort I don't want to say stages because that makes it sound linear

[00:24:25] and it isn't but a certain some of the experience of grief can feel extremely raw

[00:24:30] and so to go and if you're a highly sensitive person or even you're not usually a highly sensitive

[00:24:35] person but pretty puts you in a state of high sensitivity then going and hearing a lot of details

[00:24:42] of other people or even idiosyncrasies of another person in the way that they talk or if

[00:24:46] there's talking too much and they're taking up all the space and it's like feeling with who the

[00:24:50] people are at that given time and interacting with you and if their peer-led support groups and

[00:24:54] it's drop-in that's a whole other situation which is why when I do groups that are on when I do

[00:25:01] groups that are ongoing I actually don't have a drop-in model I have a cohort model so that you can

[00:25:07] have opportunity to build a little bit of relationship and trust and we also have agreements

[00:25:12] that we come that we you know I come up with a draft but we've got some agreements and

[00:25:16] one of my one of mine is you know we create we honor one another and create space where it's safe

[00:25:26] to be vulnerable and choosing to pass or sit in silence is always welcome and respected there's

[00:25:31] never any expectation that somebody open up and start sharing. I like that do you find when you have

[00:25:41] these groups do people well I suppose they have all kinds of different reactions then to how

[00:25:47] they're feeling when you're when you're doing the movement or you're doing the poetry or the writing

[00:25:52] you might have you probably have some that just cry and cry and others who are just very focused

[00:25:59] and um and I think that's good because I think it's good to see that in a situation like that for

[00:26:05] someone like me anyway to not feel like I have to be how how I present or how I share or how I

[00:26:15] do anything ends up being not right like I don't feel I won't feel like what am I trying to say here

[00:26:22] um I won't feel like I'm not part of that. Yeah um I make it really clear that any number of

[00:26:28] different reactions to this can happen and sometimes people are really disappointed if they don't

[00:26:32] have a big cathartic cry. Oh yeah that's what they are expecting and they get disappointed or frustrated

[00:26:38] and I have to say no no it's okay um and other people you know will lay there and think I don't

[00:26:43] feel anything nothing's happening or you know they'll you know they'll they'll go through a half a

[00:26:49] box of tissues and all of it is fine um it's all fine and just I believe that having shown up

[00:26:57] even if you're not getting anything on the surface that you are conscious of on a

[00:27:02] heart or head level you're still getting the physical benefits right the practice so that's good

[00:27:09] right right that's good and that's that's what I'm focusing on and then the rest of it is

[00:27:16] kind of a mystery isn't it okay my so I'm just thinking about all this I'm thinking like my

[00:27:25] takeaway kind of is that the the somatic grief supports that you offer um it kind of compliments

[00:27:33] talk therapy those who are part of that but it's more like it's like another tool that's available

[00:27:38] for coping with loss and it's a little it's more holistic level I think yeah what I say is that

[00:27:45] it's it's a supplemental or alternative depending um if you want another option or you're like

[00:27:52] yeah can't afford talk therapy or I don't have somebody that I want to go see or you know I'm

[00:27:57] just resistant to that for whatever reason all fine this is something that you can do and it's

[00:28:02] relatively low commitment um my moving breathing and writing through grief series is something that

[00:28:08] I would recommend and um for people who are a little bit curious about that cohort experience

[00:28:14] okay um it's it's really beautiful and I just want to let your your folks know too

[00:28:22] I just I do them in general but then I also have some that are specific so um like I have one

[00:28:29] for moving breathing and writing for grief through grief for parents and primary caregivers

[00:28:34] and because it's kind of particular yeah um you know if there's a group of people who are spouses

[00:28:40] who their partner died and now they are carrying not only their own processing but they need to be

[00:28:45] a support for a child or children who no longer have another that other caregiver in their life

[00:28:52] that can be really difficult and it can just be helpful to have some people who have the same

[00:28:57] reference point yeah yeah I agree and I've also had wonderful experiences with mixed groups of

[00:29:02] people too um that's beautiful I also offer private moving breathing and writing through grief

[00:29:09] okay as well so this is on your website right it is on my website yeah okay but we just had you

[00:29:14] know if there's a person that you know had an extended you know a lot of people were impacted by

[00:29:20] this person's death or it's an unusual death um you know it might be a violent death the sudden death

[00:29:26] something that is particularly jarring and people need extra help processing that um that's a really

[00:29:31] wonderful option okay that's great you said something I'll kind of close with this but you said

[00:29:37] something when we're emailing back and forth you said that the physical aspects of grief are often

[00:29:44] under acknowledged and under supported I am 100% behind that because it really isn't and

[00:29:52] slowly I think we're getting away from everything being medicine MD take this and you know

[00:29:58] you just have to kind of deal with it on your own so I really liked that statement in your email

[00:30:02] I don't know why I brought it down I'm like I like that yeah it's true um you know and the other

[00:30:08] thing too is I think a lot of times people just think of grief as death yeah and I just want to

[00:30:12] also let people know and I know your podcast is a lot about that but you know there's a lot of

[00:30:17] also secret pain that people carry that they don't want to talk about and sometimes you know

[00:30:22] there may not be a support group for people who you know they're um extramarital if they're

[00:30:27] ended in their heart broken or you know people who um miss their abuser yeah so you know like they

[00:30:34] they're they don't they're not gonna go back but they're still you know they're still

[00:30:39] lost about the rest of that relationship so there's also you know that's and so that's another

[00:30:45] reason that it might be nice to have an option where you can go and get some support without having

[00:30:49] to talk about why you're there mm-hmm yeah I love that well that is all the time we have today friends

[00:30:56] I'd like to end by stating this um through somatic grief work we honor the body as

[00:31:03] the vessel of our experiences allowing its wisdom to guide us through the journey of healing and

[00:31:10] transformation Dallas thank you so much for being a guest today I for what I'm looking forward

[00:31:15] to engaging in some grief work with you um I'm traveling a little bit next week but after that

[00:31:21] I plan on um getting more involved and excited to see if excited's even the right word

[00:31:28] I'm I'm looking forward to feeling better I guess it'd be you know wise and all of it you know

[00:31:35] for any listeners that are interested um and working with Dallas you can check out their website

[00:31:40] at DallasRising.com I'll also include it in show notes and with the hyphen it's not the hyphen

[00:31:48] you have to put the hyphen in okay okay so it's Dallas hyphen rising rising.com but I'll

[00:31:54] have it in show notes so you all can go out there get it there too um Dallas offers a handful of

[00:31:59] modalities to help us move through grieving and to healing so I encourage you to check um their

[00:32:03] site out and she she talked about that a little bit here um I feel confident I really feel confident

[00:32:10] that there is something for everyone there and thank everybody for stopping by we really do

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